For example, take the principle that long-term unemployed persons should dip into their savings and IRA/401k plans before receiving extended unemployment benefits. It's a reasonable principle, no? Try arguing for the principle and stories soon abound, contorting the individual asserting that principled argument into an uncaring miser, if not monster. To watch a recent example of this jujitsu maneuver unfold, read the comments to The Motley Monk's post advancing this principle.

So, taking a page from the political left's handbook, The Motley Monk would like to share a story he read in the New York Times:
Three years ago, a teacher in Marion, Illinois, Tim Kee, was turned away by Catholic Charities when Kee and his longtime partner, Rick Wade, tried to adopt a child. Kee said: "We're both Catholic, we love our church, but Catholic Charities closed the door to us. To add insult to injury, my tax dollars went to provide discrimination against me."
Isn't this horrible? Two loving, homosexual citizens whose taxes are being used to support a non-profit charitable organization of the Church they love are being discriminated against by that very organization because of their sexual orientation.
That's outrageous, no?
"Opening doors to help and hope"? Balderdash.
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| Catholic Charities: Helping the poor and downtrodden, but not Catholic homosexual partners |
Where's that "strict wall of separation" between Church and State? Receiving federal and state funding as Catholic Charities does, how is it possible for the government to allow the organization to engage in clearly discriminatory behavior? Either cut the funding right now or shut the organization down no matter what good it may be doing because, when it comes to Church teaching about homosexuality, the Church is intolerant of homosexual persons.

The Motley Monk is wondering about the principle of "tolerance" that so many on the political left espouse, as if it is the Eleventh Commandment God handed down to Moses on Mount Sinai. Should those who oppose Church teaching not be respectfully tolerant of it?
That's the question the Bishop of the Diocese of Springfield, Illinois, Thomas J. Paprocki, raised when he recently observed: "In the name of tolerance, we're not being tolerated."
Due to intolerance of Church teaching in the State of Illinois, Catholic Charities is no longer receiving state contracts because the organization refuses to consider homosexual couples as foster and adoptive parents. In response, the Roman Catholic bishops of Illinois have shuttered most Catholic Charities affiliates rather than comply with the new regulation that requires the organization to consider homosexual couples as potential foster care and adoptive parents if Catholic Charities is to qualify for and receive state funding. That's after more than 40 years of serving as one of the state’s most important social service networks for poor and neglected children!

So what about that principle of tolerance? Is it a true principle that applies in all cases or only in those cases in which the political left has a self-interest?
Let the discussion begin...
To read the article in the New York Times, click on the following link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/us/for-bishops-a-battle-over-whose-rights-prevail.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&adxnnl=1&emc=tha2&adxnnlx=1325165217-nyfG/tpSjfDAe+Ph/eno5g

To clarify a point about IRA/401K accounts..
ReplyDeleteThese accounts were designed to shift the burden of a defined benefit program, a pension, from corporations to individuals. An employee cannot 'dip into their pension' if they are unemployed and as a result, IRA/401K accounts should, also, not be used for that purpose.
-One can debate the topic of unemployment benefits.
-One can question why drug testing or other screening can help enforce equitable distribution of benefits.
-One can ask about the fairness of 'tax exempt' status for certain entities.
-One can ask about benefits for illegals who never paid into unemployment of social security.
-One can ask why a Federal Government spends more time worrying about handouts than it does creating a fair tax code.
-One can ask why a stimulus package, to mainly benefit, unions and political, corporate cronies is not challenged.
However, it seems unfair and illogical to force people, with IRA/401K accounts, to 'dip into' those funds if they, like other citizens who never contributed to an IRA/401K, qualify for unemployment benefits - no?
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ReplyDeleteI think a "clarification" of your "clarification" is needed. You state: "An employee cannot 'dip into their pension' if they are unemployed and as a result, IRA/401K accounts should, also, not be used for that purpose."
I think you are incorrect because it is my understanding that an individual can "dip into" an IRA/401K plan, but must pay a tax penalty for early withdrawl.
I also want to challenge your assertion that "IRA/401K accounts should, also, not be used for that purpose," meaning that individuals should not "raid" their IRA/401K plans. While the principle is sound---namely, $$$s set aside and saved for retirement should be used for that purpose and not raided to pursue whims (hence, the tax penalty for early withdrawl which is a good feature of the law, I believe)---why shouldn't an unemployed person be required to "raid" those savings?
Consider this case: An unemployed executive has $1.2M in an IRA/401k plan. During the period of severance, this individual has been receiving a sum of money that has run out and this individual is now on unemployment (and perhaps will be for the ~2 year period allowed by current law). Concurrently, this individual has cut back to the basics but is barely getting by at this point and unemployment benefits will not cover all of this individual's expenses...especially the monthly mortgage.
Perhaps you are analyzing the case from the "front end," meaning "let the individual receive the benefits law affords." That's a reasonable judgment.
However, what TMM frets about is the federal government extending benefits even longer, providing an even stronger incentive not to get back to work. That increases the number of citizens on the federal dole. Welfare, social security, and Medicare/Medicade demonstrate clearly how this plays out in reality.
What TMM was suggesting---as is being suggested by some economists concerning Social Security benefits---is some form of "means testing" for unemployment benefits. One commentator to this website opined that those who paid into the system are "owed" what they put into it...a reasonable principle. But, the simple fact is that most people on the federal dole get more out of the system than they put into it. At some point, the Ponzi scheme breaks down.
Again, why should "wealth" not be considered when doling out federal benefits, like unemployment compensation?
Thanks. I wasn't clear. I know IRA/401K funds can be accessed with a penalty to the individual. My point is, a person with an IRA/401K should not be penalized for investing in the future. Retirement benefits should be off-limits for personal use, except for retirement.
ReplyDeleteIf the Government wants to impose income/net worth tests in order to qulaify for unemployment benefits, great. My point is, don't exempt people from the test. Test for wealth, passive income and net worth - leave retirement funds out of the calculation.
I agree with your concerns about extending benefits and hope DC finally starts to address the real problems in the economy.